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Steven_Pietrobon · Series 20

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tempestfan · Classic Series

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Hi Steven, I did not mention Hawks, and the series 100 is marked as Italeri, so you probably mean Meteor ? The Meteor and Canberra 9 released by Hannants (of Czech origin) have come on the market in the past 3 months or so, so are new tools. Given the apparent strengthening relation with the MPM group (Typ XXIII sub, Pucara, Wellington), this is my choice as a source, and with the coincidence of release by Hannants, I doubt these are separate tools (especially because they are, somewhat contrary to Czech tradition, all plastic kits). Anyway, the only alternatives are Matchbox for the Canberra and old Frog for the Meteor.
Still conspicious by its absence, given the FAA bias of the Czechs, is a Scimitar. Would be a great addition o the Airfix range, e.g. as refueller for the Bucc (though I'm not quite sure if they served along S.2s for a substantial period).

mariow · Classic Series

Steven_Pietrobon wrote:

Anders, the WWII British Infantry is a reissue from another company, probably Italeri.

A01762 WW.II British Infantry New Release it says on the Tribute Forum. The '62' would indeed indicate a new issue, though its origin is not mentioned.

Does this mean the newer edition figures of S3 are on the list of lost moulds as well?

Mario

Steven_Pietrobon · Series 20

The official list gives three different descriptions for the new kits, Re-release, New Release, or New Mould. The New Moulds in 1/72 are the following. The Canberra's are new tools and are neither the old Airfix tool (modified to a B-57) or Xtrakit/Sword kit (only available as a PR.9).

A02005 BAe Red Arrows Hawk
A02065 Supermarine Spitfire MkIXc
A03073 BAe Hawk 128/132
A05038 English Electric Canberra B(I)8
A05039 English Electric Canberra PR.9

New Releases in 1/72 are (which are reissues of other manufacturers kits)

A02008 Fairey Fulmar
A02045 Hawker Sea Fury FB.11
A02094 Hawker Tempest V
A03068 F.M.A. IA 58A Pucara
A03076 Gloster Meteor F.8
A03077 Boeing AH-64 Apache Longbow
A05035 Boeing Chinook
A05036 Horsa Glider
A05037 Vickers Wellington MkIc
A05040 Focke Wulf Mistel (Ta-154/Fw 190A)

The WWII British Infantry are also described as New Release, which means, along with the new number, that the Airfix tool probably has been lost or damaged beyond repair. They are probably a reissue of the Italeri set. If they were the old set, they would have been described as Re-release and would have used the old number. We'll know for sure when the sets are released and someone posts a photo of the figures.

jezbrook · Series 3

The Canberras are new Airfix moulds derived from the 1:48 kits as is the Spitfire IX. The British Infantry have been brought in because the mould for S3 has been lost/damaged.

03026 Hawk has also been lost/damaged which is why it has not appeared in Hornby boxing (Type 15B). This is why Hornby are producing new Hawks.

The Buccaneer is a tool modification. Final decisions as to which kits to use for the new releases (Fulmar, Sea Fury, etc) have not been taken for all of the kits, similarly we do not know yet the fate of the lost/damaged moulds. THe catalogue is at the printers now.

Jezbrook

tempestfan · Classic Series

jezbrook wrote:

The Canberras are new Airfix moulds derived from the 1:48 kits as is the Spitfire IX. The British Infantry have been brought in because the mould for S3 has been lost/damaged.

03026 Hawk has also been lost/damaged which is why it has not appeared in Hornby boxing (Type 15B). This is why Hornby are producing new Hawks.

The Buccaneer is a tool modification. Final decisions as to which kits to use for the new releases (Fulmar, Sea Fury, etc) have not been taken for all of the kits, similarly we do not know yet the fate of the lost/damaged moulds. THe catalogue is at the printers now.

Jezbrook

Hi Jeremy,
a happy new year to you, too ! Yes I know I still have to renew...
Interesting news that the Hawk mould has been lost, maybe it's in China where they scaled it up...The fact that they bother to do a new tool for it with a good Italeri mould available indicates its market potential, I guess. When the Canberras are scale downs, it will be interesting to see if the same happens with the Hawks, that would probably be unprcedented that a mouls gets scaled up with mods and then down again.

I may not have my ears directly at t he horse's mouth regarding the prolific Czechs, but has an MPM Fulmar gone down unnoticed by me ? If not, there won't be many choices regarding the mould, as there is only the Kovozavody Semily/Vista mould that I'm aware of (in the long-run area).

Excuses to Steven, I didn't look properly & so failed to notice the "new tool" remark with the Hawks and mixed it up with Jens' proposal of the Italeri mould.

Is it known where the Canberras are tooled ? China or Czech Rep or somewhere else ? If in the Czech Rep., the kits may have a common heritage with the Hannants PR.9.

frogman · Superkits

tempestfan wrote:

Interesting news that the Hawk mould has been lost, maybe it's in China where they scaled it up...The fact that they bother to do a new tool for it with a good Italeri mould available indicates its market potential, I guess.

You guess right. As the Red Arrows mount, the Hawk was one of Airfix's biggest sellers, and the feeling was that even more could be sold if only the kit were not in series three.

Sean

Steven_Pietrobon · Series 20

jezbrook wrote:

03026 Hawk has also been lost/damaged which is why it has not appeared in Hornby boxing (Type 15B). This is why Hornby are producing new Hawks.

Type 15B? I've only counted up to

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tempestfan · Classic Series

frogman wrote:

tempestfan wrote:

Interesting news that the Hawk mould has been lost, maybe it's in China where they scaled it up...The fact that they bother to do a new tool for it with a good Italeri mould available indicates its market potential, I guess.

You guess right. As the Red Arrows mount, the Hawk was one of Airfix's biggest sellers, and the feeling was that even more could be sold if only the kit were not in series three.

Sean

With that ageing collection of moulds and the rather inflexible Series-based pricing system (though I love it cause it's about the most logical system one could think of), thoughts in that direction (down-seriesing)should be wasted on a few more kits. E.g., IMHO the Halifax, though without direct competition, is rather overpriced in S.6. Alternatively, Hornby could have some thoughts on smart updating kits like this and the Sunderland with new turrets, engines, interior and general detail parts.

If the catalogue presence (and in this case, apparently actual availabilty, too) is a yardstick, the Typhoon and Scout were great sellers, too, considering they were in the cats uninterrupted from release to at least '93 (when I stopped working on my list). somewhat surprising in the case of the Scout, for me at least.

jezbrook · Series 3

Type 13 packaging referred to two kits released in 2003 (Honda RC211V (02485) and Subaru Impreza (01421) which both appeared in a different style of packaging (see CS17). Since they were the only ones in that style I referred to them as Type 13 - obviously an unlucky style!

So Type 14 becomes the mainstream style introduced in Circa 2003 (see CS17) and the final Humbrol style becomes Type 15 (see CS29)). Since Hornby have adopted this style with minor variations we have Type 15A (Humbrol) and Type 15B (Hornby).

I hope to publish an updated packaging guide in CS31 (CS30 is almost ready to be printed).

jezbrook

Richard Humm · Series 12

Should a packaging style that only had two kits in it be given a separate Type number? After all, the style that the first three Museum Models, the 1/24 scale motorised cars and the Playsets appeared in has never been given a Type number, and there were at least eleven items that it was used for.

frogman · Superkits

Richard Humm wrote:

Should a packaging style that only had two kits in it be given a separate Type number? After all, the style that the first three Museum Models, the 1/24 scale motorised cars and the Playsets appeared in has never been given a Type number, and there were at least eleven items that it was used for.

The whole system needs a thorough overhaul if it is ever to gain widespread acceptance among collectors.

I suggest we move this discussion to another thread.

Sean

JC Carbonel · Classic Series

I have just got today my 2008 catalogue : no Nimrods !

JCC

frogman · Superkits

JC Carbonel wrote:

I have just got today my 2008 catalogue : no Nimrods !

JCC

Maybe the Nimrod is not in the 2008 catalogue because as a limited edition it is no longer available. All copies have been sold.

Sean

Steven_Pietrobon · Series 20

JCC, that was fast getting the catalogue. Can't wait to get mine.